Any real actions from the UN have to come from the UN Security Council, which is paralyzed by the veto power of its permanent members (US, UK, Russia, France, China).
We’re seeking something like 20-25k dead in the last 6 weeks - 1/57th of the entire population killed or wounded. What are you thinking of that exceeds that?
I’m assuming you’re all talking about the Uyghur genocide. I wouldn’t downplay it for a second, but the simple reality is that they’re not being exterminated through a rapid act of carpet bombing by high-powered airstrikes, the degree and brutality of the killing going on in Gaza right now is unlike anything I’ve seen in my entire life. To cleave to the point here, which is, “do other ongoing genocides exceed this one in terms of killing of civilians”.
It may be the case that the long-term death toll is higher, considering how many years it’s been happening, though downplaying what’s happening in Gaza on that basis, I mean, let’s not wait for that comparison to flip.
The way you phrase it poses an impossible dilemma for Palestinian resistance. Non-violent resistance is outlawed and slaughtered (anti-BDS law, massacre of the Great March of Return, assassinations of peace activists, international smear campaigns, etc.). Violent resistance is impossible on equal standards as Israel maintains air superiority over occupied Palestine - separate infrastructure would be bombed. So we have a ghettoized population, under siege, under blockade, under air monitoring. What option is left for them? Hidden military infrastructure, tunnels, arms smuggling - and this all gets immediately condemned.
We try to hold these populations to the standards of international law - but morally, the abstraction starts to break down. It’s easy for a country like the U.S. to abide by some of these standards on the surface - we can have exposed military infrastructure, because we have SAM sites, we have intercontinental ballistic missiles, first-class fighter jets, etc. We’ve heard plenty about the perspectives that purport to justify the Israeli/U.S. offensive, that seem on the surface to make our military efforts legitimate. But (from the media at least) we rarely hear about the narratives in support of the opposing side - 75 years of ethnic cleansing, land theft, crushing military occupation, siege, perfidy, random massacres and apartheid. They have a legitimate cause and grievances. So we have to actually consider what avenues of recourse are even available to them to pursue that cause. Otherwise we’re essentially just telling them to “quiet down and die”. On the broader scale, it’s like saying, it’s forbidden to punch while you’re lying on the ground, while you tackle somebody and beat them to death.
That being said, of course certain things are both war crimes and not essential to resistance - i.e., killing unarmed civilians - to whatever extent Hamas militants actually did engage in this (we know they killed some, and we know the IDF killed some as well - as well as the 13-20k+ civilians Israel has killed at this point).
And this is not to give credence to Israeli claims of repurposing, either. The standard under international law is to prove that each individual peace of infrastructure is actively being used for military purposes, and that its strategic value outweighs the casualties from shelling it, and Israel has not been meeting that standard overall by any metric.
We need a hell of a lot more evidence to support that than we’ve seen, it would still run into major problems with proportionality/distinction standards regarding all the civilians they killed in and around the hospital, and it wouldn’t make a scratch with regard to the other civilian infrastructure they’ve targeted.
It’s interesting how this leaves out 17 years of choking supplies of food and water to the civilian population of Gaza, the Israeli occupation and settlements in Gaza prior to 2005, the fact that that illegal occupation had been ongoing for 38 years despite international outcry, the naval blockade amounting to an act of war of its own, and really the whole broader context of the population of Gaza being displaced by ethnic cleansing by Israel since 1948.
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The comparisons to the Nazis are actually inescapable. I struggle to think of a centrally orchestrated and mechanized system of apartheid/oppression and now genocide that’s more similar.
It’s grotesque to me people that keep repeating this. The accusations of genocide almost universally relate to after Oct. 7. And population growth over a 60 year stretch does not discredit incitement to genocide or actions taken to attempt genocide.
Russia arguably gains via ties with Iran and decrease of U.S. influence in the region. But, as far as news, reporting, information are concerned, it’s pretty irrelevant, if there’s actual propaganda then let it be shown and debunked, and even Iranian RT right now is barely saying anything surprising to anyone who’s been watching what’s happening on the ground.
Yeah, Hamas isn’t as bad as Israel, it’s literally a resistance movement to the people that ethnically cleansed their population from their land and kept them in a concentration camp for two decades. The unbalanced condemnation tbph is the result of a concerted Israeli/Western propaganda campaign to obscure the context and nature of the attacks, including the hundreds of Palestinian people killed in 2023 before Oct. 7, and more fundamentally, the fact that Israel has been keeping 2.4M people in a high-tech concentration camp for the last two decades.
The atrocity claims against Hamas from Oct. 7 have some serious evidentiary issues at this point, even including some unknown number of the civilian deaths being attributable to the IDF (literally firing at, shelling and bombing Israeli citizens - though to be clear, there is video of Hamas shooting civilians as well). You compare this to the inhuman genocide being levied against Palestinians now - food, water, electricity, fuel, medicine being cut off for 5 weeks at this point, likely upwards of 20,000 civilians killed, at least half of the buildings in Gaza damaged or destroyed, attacks on hospitals, schools, refugee camps, ambulances, journalists, aid workers, without legitimate substantiation of their repurposing for military purposes - these are crimes against humanity. There is no equivalence here.
“Godwin’s Law” only said that the comparison to Nazis becomes inescapable the longer a conversation goes (not the common interpretation “whoever says Nazi first loses”). If I remember right he actually went back later and said it’s perfectly fine to draw the Nazi analogy to fascist states.
Just like Shifa Hospital isn’t used as a terrorist base.
Despite the raid ~24 hours ago, and the release, deletion and then re-release of an “uncut” video of the hospital since then, this absolutely remains to be proven. If anything the burden of proof has gone up, after the absolute bullshit they just published about it and about Rantisi hospital.
Not sure if you’re posting this as support of IDF claims. The videos they’ve released have been absolutely ridiculous, show multiple signs of planted evidence (e.g. the same scene completely changing when shown to different news outlets) and do not support the assertion of a sophisticated underground command center.
I don’t think one state runs the other. IMO, the same organization runs both, plus other European colonial powers and proxy/puppet states. It’s basically impossible otherwise to account for this kind of like, inexplicable synchronicity that they have with absolutely indefensible policies.
He can veto the legislation, and (more contentiously) he can issue executive orders blocking the implementation of the legislation. Or least of all, use his human mouth to speak words against the legislation (the “bully pulpit”).
write an executive understanding order, which again can not set new conditions,
He is bound by existing conditions, e.g. the ratification of the Geneva Convention, not to facilitate genocide. He is currently being sued for this.
edit: To be sure, the reason I wrote this is contentious, the actual scope of EOs (not to be confused with a private MOU, which isn’t applicable nor legally binding) is contentious. The reason we have the executive branch to begin with, in terms of checks and balances, is to ensure there can be a refusal to implement. Although it’s a non-issue in this case since he’s asking for it, it would only become an issue with a 2/3 majority ready to force legislation through and with him actually opposed to it. Disclaimer, not a lawyer, just know some fundamentals.
Over the past 24 hours, hospitals in Gaza have been under relentless bombardment. Al-Shifa hospital complex, the biggest health facility where MSF staff are still working, has been hit several times, including the maternity and outpatient departments, resulting in multiple deaths and injuries. The hostilities around the hospital...
You’re beyond clueless. Genocide and incitement to genocide are inchoate crimes, i.e., you don’t have to successfully eradicate a population to be guilty of it, just to commit actions with intent. Not to even get into the openly genocidal actions that have occurred. Read the links I sent you or shut up, it’s covered in absolutely exhaustive detail.
Not continuing this conversation.
edit for a more precise definition:
Incitement to genocide is a crime under international law which prohibits inciting (encouraging) the commission of genocide. An extreme form of hate speech, incitement to genocide is considered an inchoate offense and is theoretically subject to prosecution even if genocide does not occur, although charges have never been brought in an international court without mass violence having occurred. “Direct and public incitement to commit genocide” was forbidden by the Genocide Convention in 1948. Incitement to genocide is often cloaked in metaphor and euphemism and may take many forms beyond direct advocacy, including dehumanization and accusation in a mirror.
My understanding was that the burnt bodies were from the IDF shelling of buildings with militants and hostages in them. Did you have additional evidence I didn’t catch?
The majority of that money (FMF) comes from our taxes, goes to Israel, Israel is bound to spend it on arms from American arms companies, the owners (stockholders) of those companies get the profits, cycle some of it back to politicians and lobbyists, etc. So it’s a net gain for the beneficiaries, but a net loss for the rest of the population. It also makes our infrastructure more targeted towards arms production and less for our own needs. There isn’t an additional inflow of money, so that essentially means a net loss.
That’s essentially the broken window fallacy on one hand, and actual redistribution of wealth upwards on the other hand.
The statement may have been related to this, doctorswithoutborders.org/…/msf-mourns-killing-ou… - although it’s pretty clear medical workers themselves have been subjected to threats and bombardments, which is probably enough on its own.
I mean, I’m improvising a response here, but, in the context of targeted killings of dozens of journalists by Israel? In private, until you have absolutely indisputable facts, that would be my thought.
One has to wonder, if you backed up two months in time, forgot everything that happened in that time, and the same airstrikes of UN refugee camps, UN-run schools, etc., were done by say, Hezbollah - what kind of reaction would we be seeing there?
Israeli tanks besiege Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital (www.aljazeera.com)
UN chief says killing of civilians in Israel’s war on Gaza ‘unparalleled’ (www.aljazeera.com)
Premature Gaza babies evacuated to Egypt; 12 reported killed at Indonesian Hospital (www.reuters.com)
Israel and Hamas reach tentative U.S.-brokered deal to pause conflict, free dozens of hostages (Washington Post) (www.washingtonpost.com)
Israel shifts military offensive from claimed "command center" in Al-Shifa to civilian evacuation zone in southern Gaza/Khan Younis (www.reuters.com)
The state of the discourse. (lemmy.world)
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Biden administration staff sign open letter demanding cease-fire in Israel-Hamas war (www.nbcnews.com)
Israel-Hamas war: Palestinians dig mass grave inside Israeli-encircled Gaza hospital (www.reuters.com)
Gaza: Patients and medical staff trapped in hospitals under fire (www.doctorswithoutborders.ca)
Over the past 24 hours, hospitals in Gaza have been under relentless bombardment. Al-Shifa hospital complex, the biggest health facility where MSF staff are still working, has been hit several times, including the maternity and outpatient departments, resulting in multiple deaths and injuries. The hostilities around the hospital...
Israel revises Hamas attack death toll to 'around 1,200' (www.reuters.com)
Israel’s ‘day of war against hospitals’ in Gaza, says al-Shifa director (www.aljazeera.com)
Doctors without Borders issues rare statement calling for ceasefire in Israel/Palestine conflict (www.doctorswithoutborders.ca)
Media watchdog says it was just 'raising questions' with insinuations about photographers and Hamas (apnews.com)
US forces under fire in Middle East as America slides towards brink (www.reuters.com)
Gaza officials say hospitals come under new Israeli attacks (www.reuters.com)