downpunxx , avatar

like this: everywhere on the fediverse, except mastodon, you can't actually block antisemites, you can only mask their posts and comments, but they can see, and leave their jew hating, and jew baiting poison under yours at will, which is of course at it's core, abusive. removing the ability to block another account completely is what elon musk champions, because he's a fascist piece of shit who enjoys the "engagement" between abusers and the abused, as does every lemmy/kbin instance owner, as they know of this fallacious blocking, and still choose to spin up and continue running their instances regardless. on mastodon, you can block words, accounts, instances, and domains, and they simply cease to exist and from then on unable to interract with your account, as it should be. so, you know, be warned. the nazis, muslim terrorists, and their jew killing islamic terrorist supporters, are legion in the fediverse, and there's almost no content moderation in the slightest.

i'd say that

roguetrick ,

The absolute irony of this comment when you leave your comments under every person that's blocked you and every instance/community that's banned you. But since other people you've blocked can point out your nonsense, that's the horrible thing.

Th4tGuyII , avatar

The point of blocking is supposed to be that you don't see them. That you don't see their posts and comments means it's doing it's job in that respect.

As for blocking people from interacting with your content, that's a slippery slope... On the one hand it prevents abuse, but on the other it allows bigots to block their way to having their views unopposed.

Having said that, it sounds like you don't practice what you preach so the nuance of this discussion isn't worth having.

Damaskox , avatar

I get an impression that the Fediverse would be offering you more sorrow than a good time 🤔

sour , avatar

do you want reddit changing block feature #2

shrugal , avatar

It’s multiple social media sites that send each other messages to sync the content between them. You create your account on one of them, but you can see posts and can contact and follow people from all of them. They are run by different people, and if one goes offline or rogue the others preserve the content but stop syncing with it. So the sites keep each other honest, and no one person or company is in control of the whole thing.

saketaco ,

It isn’t very difficult to understand, or new. Usenet used a similar system of exchange between news servers, and before people had the Internet in their homes (pre- 1990s) BBS systems used RelayNet and FidoNet.

mindbleach ,

It’s social media made by the ultranerds who warned you about social media. You can sign up on any site and use every site. Mostly. Pick a site that’s not run by assholes and you won’t have to worry.

JakenVeina ,

“It’s like e-mail, but for social media. You create an account with GMail or Yahoo or whoever, and that lets you interact with anyone else with an e-mail address, doesn’t matterof they’re using the same e-mail service as you.”

altima_neo , avatar

Honestly to me that made it even more confusing

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

Let’s imagine a field full of lobsters. Each lobster represents a server. Most of the lobsters like to hang around with each other, but some of them don’t like certain other lobsters and will refuse to hang out with other lobsters.

Now each of these lobsters have at least one tiny little mite riding on them. These mites want to talk to the mites on the other lobsters, but they are too far away. So, they build a big sign on the back of their lobster that the other mites can see. Since they are on the back of their lobster, they can change what’s on the sign or add to it or make a new sign, but the other mites can add to the signs by signaling with semaphore what they want written on the sign. However, the mites on the lobster that their lobster doesn’t like are never close enough to send their semaphore signals, so although they can see the sign they can’t change or add to it.

oxjox , avatar

It’s built upon communities that can congregate in one area and engage with other communities.
It’s not run by Wall Street or billionaire backed entities so the platform lacks an algorithm designed to keep your attention to show you ads.
It’s new, lacks the shine and polish of established platforms, and there’s a bit of friction with on-boarding and usage.

intensely_human ,

It’s like the United States. Your Colorado driver’s license is accepted as ID in Virginia.

Each state has their own rules, but there are a few common rules about interstate interactions that are established by the Federal government.

Jezebelley ,

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  • FlyLikeAMouse ,

    As true as this is, the overwhelming majority of people also have no concept of how email works.

    root ,

    The fediverse is like an apartment block and an instance is one of the apartments. When you create an account in the instance, you “chose” to move into that apartment.

    A community in that instance is like a room in the apartment. There can be any number of rooms in the apartment, just like there can be any number of communities in the apartment.

    Even though your account is in this instance, it doesn’t mean you’re stuck there. You can “visit” your neighbours in the other apartments (instantances) and interact with the people there.

    thegiddystitcher , avatar

    This completely depends who you’re communicating with and what their level of tech literacy is, but also their level of interest in hearing the techy details. Most of the time I’m explaining it to middle-aged women who still have Facebook accounts, so that should give you an idea where I’m personally coming from.

    If they’re asking specifically about the term “Fediverse”, usually because they heard me talking about it, I tell people that it’s just the name for a group of different social media type sites that all communicate with each other instead of being completely separate like the ones they’re probably familiar with. It’s like having an account on Facebook, and using it to keep up and chat with your friends on TikTok too without ever having to make an account there.

    Since one of the main hurdles during big switchovers is the “oh not another account to sign up for” feeling, this on its own is a pretty big eye-opener for a lot of people in terms of why it’s better.

    Then I’ll talk about what the community is like here around our shared interests (mostly fibre crafts), because that’s what people actually care about.

    If they show no further interest, they still now understand more than at least 95% of people.

    Some will be interested in giving it a go themselves, in which case I tell them to start with Mastodon, which is a bit like Twitter except not awful. I get them to join the default server unless they are quite techy, but let them know they don’t need to understand what that means because they’ll naturally pick it up and can easily move to another server later if they want, so it’s not a big deal decision. I’ll guide them through the basic gist, get them to make an introduction post, and use my modest reach on there to get them a few initial followers so they don’t feel like they’re shouting into the void.

    The problem with most explanations is that enthusiastic nerds try to fit absolutely everything in at once. Federation, instances etc. And it’s just too much especially for a non-techy crowd. Give them the info they actually need to get started and drip-feed the rest over time.

    Contramuffin ,
    1. Social media owned by companies, by their nature, undergo enshittification. It may not be now, but it will happen sometime in the future.
    2. If we make social media that is owned and controlled by the people, we can avoid enshittification
    3. The Fediverse is an attempt to create social media owned by the people.

    All the analogies about email and whatnot, or the comments trying to explain how federation works, they’re missing a big part of the question. They’re not technically wrong, but those answers are exactly what put me off the Fediverse initially. And I suspect those answer will put off other people, too. And it should be relatively clear why, if you think about it from newbies’ perspectives: the question that newbies are asking is what the Fediverse is. Trying to answer how the Fediverse works is avoiding the question entirely. You can’t explain the “how” to someone if they don’t even know what it is. It’s like explaining how to design a software to a caveman, without explaining what a software is.

    this_is_router , avatar

    It’s like email: it doesn’t matter if you have an or address, you can send and receive mail to/from anybody. Lemmy accounts and communities consist of a name which includes the instance, just like e-mail.

    That’s it, I don’t think a regular user needs to know more.

    Rivalarrival ,

    Don’t. Just set up an account, install an app and tell them to go play. They’ll figure out the important bits in time.

    IzzyScissor ,

    Firstly, your 'instance' is just like your email server. It doesn't matter if it's or, I can still email you and you can respond. Some people even have their own servers.

    Next, imagine if Facebook, Instagram and Twitter users could all follow each other's posts. The posts are already pretty much the same but we just add @Facebook or @Twitter to the end. You could log in to one, but see posts from the others. The only difference is the layout and design of the interface, like the difference between 'Gmail' and 'Outlook'.

    You can also move between servers easily if you want. Sick of @Facebook? Move to @Instagram without losing followers.

    jaycifer ,

    Imagine you have a big board on your front lawn where people can come to write stuff and respond to others on the board. This board is an instance.

    Your neighbor has their own board, which they have “federated” with yours. Messages from your board can show up on their board, and people there can write on those messages same as ones native to that board.

    You can federate with them so their stuff shows on your board, or defederate if you don’t like the people there.

    Anyone with the ability to make a board can have one federated with other boards to make a really big web of boards, but to a person looking at your lawn’s board it feels like one big one.

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